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		<title>By: liainnyhack</title>
		<link>http://maxwelldemon.com/2009/11/10/laptops-are-not-the-problem/#comment-16444</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[many thanks for the article, I love it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>many thanks for the article, I love it</p>
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		<title>By: gelada</title>
		<link>http://maxwelldemon.com/2009/11/10/laptops-are-not-the-problem/#comment-1573</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right that it is easier to be lazy in preparing a presentation with a laptop (i.e. cut the paper into bite sized chunks and serve). There is a security that comes from having everything there. I do not say that the laptop is a cure for bad talks. Its just the blackboard is not either.  

As you say the obvious crimes of both sorts of bad talk are easy to avoid. In my experience however grad students get nearly no feedback and training. A little bit can go a long way. In particular they can then recognise their own weaknesses and choose a style that minimises them.  I am not talking mastery here, just guidance to tell which of the many common traps that particular person falls into.

As for rooms with no blackboard/whiteboard at all, that is horrible. I am teaching in a lecture theatre like that at the moment and it is a nightmare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that it is easier to be lazy in preparing a presentation with a laptop (i.e. cut the paper into bite sized chunks and serve). There is a security that comes from having everything there. I do not say that the laptop is a cure for bad talks. Its just the blackboard is not either.  </p>
<p>As you say the obvious crimes of both sorts of bad talk are easy to avoid. In my experience however grad students get nearly no feedback and training. A little bit can go a long way. In particular they can then recognise their own weaknesses and choose a style that minimises them.  I am not talking mastery here, just guidance to tell which of the many common traps that particular person falls into.</p>
<p>As for rooms with no blackboard/whiteboard at all, that is horrible. I am teaching in a lecture theatre like that at the moment and it is a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Shreevatsa</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that laptops make it &lt;i&gt;easy&lt;/i&gt; to give bad talks — and as most people are not great speakers by default, the typical result is more bad talks. Almost every beginning PowerPoint or Beamer user tends to cram too much text into each slide and go very fast because they can, in a way that is not possible with a blackboard. From personal experience, with speakers of equal (mediocre or lower, like most of us) speaking ability (e.g. the same speaker), blackboard talks are clearer and afford more opportunities to ask questions. (PowerPoint talks with no board nearby are the worst!) This is the same point made in all the articles above, e.g. &quot;&lt;i&gt;for less-than-masterly speakers,&lt;/i&gt; the quality of a blackboard talk is orders-of-magnitude more understandable&quot;.

Of course powerful tools are always good to have around, and in an ideal world everyone would learn to use them well. In the real world, people are influenced more by the affordances of the technology they use — and there is empirical evidence that some of them, while &lt;i&gt;enabling&lt;/i&gt; better talks, encourage worse ones.
Taking away laptops was obviously hyperbole, since it can/will never be done. But alerting speakers to the predictable perils of PowerPoint — its linearity, one-sidedness, rigid format, etc. — might, if not turn them away from laptops, at least give us better laptop talks. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that laptops make it <i>easy</i> to give bad talks — and as most people are not great speakers by default, the typical result is more bad talks. Almost every beginning PowerPoint or Beamer user tends to cram too much text into each slide and go very fast because they can, in a way that is not possible with a blackboard. From personal experience, with speakers of equal (mediocre or lower, like most of us) speaking ability (e.g. the same speaker), blackboard talks are clearer and afford more opportunities to ask questions. (PowerPoint talks with no board nearby are the worst!) This is the same point made in all the articles above, e.g. &#8220;<i>for less-than-masterly speakers,</i> the quality of a blackboard talk is orders-of-magnitude more understandable&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course powerful tools are always good to have around, and in an ideal world everyone would learn to use them well. In the real world, people are influenced more by the affordances of the technology they use — and there is empirical evidence that some of them, while <i>enabling</i> better talks, encourage worse ones.<br />
Taking away laptops was obviously hyperbole, since it can/will never be done. But alerting speakers to the predictable perils of PowerPoint — its linearity, one-sidedness, rigid format, etc. — might, if not turn them away from laptops, at least give us better laptop talks. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gelada</title>
		<link>http://maxwelldemon.com/2009/11/10/laptops-are-not-the-problem/#comment-1570</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had read all but Chris Okasaki&#039;s comments previously and I still diagree. My central problem with all the points (including Zeilberger) is that they contrast good blackboard talks with bad laptop talks. A bad blackboard talk can just as easily suppress the music, whilst making the lyrics inaudible. 

I return to my point, the story is the key, work out the best tools from that. This lies at the heart of all the articles you cite. I agree with them. I just do not agree that laptops make things worse. We need to give more graduates training in how to present and then marvel and the wonderful variety of ways in which that enthrall us with their research. Not take away powerful tools because they can be used badly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had read all but Chris Okasaki&#8217;s comments previously and I still diagree. My central problem with all the points (including Zeilberger) is that they contrast good blackboard talks with bad laptop talks. A bad blackboard talk can just as easily suppress the music, whilst making the lyrics inaudible. </p>
<p>I return to my point, the story is the key, work out the best tools from that. This lies at the heart of all the articles you cite. I agree with them. I just do not agree that laptops make things worse. We need to give more graduates training in how to present and then marvel and the wonderful variety of ways in which that enthrall us with their research. Not take away powerful tools because they can be used badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Shreevatsa</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Zeilberger&#039;s comment there was specifically about using laptops for talks, while your reply is a general one about the role of computers in mathematics and communication. And for talks, there are very good reasons to avoid laptops whenever possible: see Zeilberger&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion60.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opinion 60: Still Like That Old-Time Blackboard Talk&lt;/a&gt;, Chris Okasaki&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://okasaki.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-i-dont-use-powerpoint-for-teaching.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why I Don&#039;t Use PowerPoint For Teaching&lt;/a&gt;, and Alexandre Borovik&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://micromath.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/psychophysiology-of-blackboard-teaching/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Psychophysiology of Blackboard Teaching&lt;/a&gt;. Laptop presentations are good for &quot;shows&quot;, but for mathematical talks, except when used by very good speakers they tend to suppress the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion78.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;music&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Zeilberger&#8217;s comment there was specifically about using laptops for talks, while your reply is a general one about the role of computers in mathematics and communication. And for talks, there are very good reasons to avoid laptops whenever possible: see Zeilberger&#8217;s <a href="http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion60.html" rel="nofollow">Opinion 60: Still Like That Old-Time Blackboard Talk</a>, Chris Okasaki&#8217;s <a href="http://okasaki.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-i-dont-use-powerpoint-for-teaching.html" rel="nofollow">Why I Don&#8217;t Use PowerPoint For Teaching</a>, and Alexandre Borovik&#8217;s <a href="http://micromath.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/psychophysiology-of-blackboard-teaching/" rel="nofollow">Psychophysiology of Blackboard Teaching</a>. Laptop presentations are good for &#8220;shows&#8221;, but for mathematical talks, except when used by very good speakers they tend to suppress the <a href="http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion78.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;music&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: How to write machines &#171; Maxwell&#8217;s Demon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How to write machines &#171; Maxwell&#8217;s Demon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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